to live in the right neighbor. and also the tax system -- >> also the tax system is obviously important, and all important for not only the issue of equality, inequality, and opportunity, but also for efficiency and growth. so, for instance, if you have a tax system like ours, where speculators attack at a fraction of a rate of people who work for a living, and if you can keep your money in a bank account in the cayman islands rather than in the united states, you have incentive -- the ruleses not only give lower tax rates to those who can take -- avail themselves to these, but it distorts the economy. you wind up with more speculation, more instability, and the money isn't in the cayman islands because it grows better in the shine there. it's the lack of sunshine that is the reason that people keep their money there. >> just had a conversation with -- someone from the financial industry who was trying to make a defense about things like carried interest, which isn't even invested income but gets taxed as if it was at 15%. there's a lot of effort put in and with uncertain return, and yo
